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	<title>Comments on: Software Engineers of India &#8211; Software Coolies or not?</title>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-35764</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indians get work because they are cheaper than the competition.  Truth is, that if they were the same price, the work would go to Western companies employing western staff.  Indians dont communicate well, have a poor work ethic and frankly, arent very good, but they are cheap.  Their culture, much like the American culture is becoming, dictate you take the money and run, not invest in R &amp; D.  India is a giant slum with corruption, racism and crime.  Indians would rather work and live in a country that is working than use their supposed intelligence to fix their own country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indians get work because they are cheaper than the competition.  Truth is, that if they were the same price, the work would go to Western companies employing western staff.  Indians dont communicate well, have a poor work ethic and frankly, arent very good, but they are cheap.  Their culture, much like the American culture is becoming, dictate you take the money and run, not invest in R &amp; D.  India is a giant slum with corruption, racism and crime.  Indians would rather work and live in a country that is working than use their supposed intelligence to fix their own country.</p>
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		<title>By: Software Engineer??? or Coolies? &#171; KSpace</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-23125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Software Engineer??? or Coolies? &#171; KSpace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-1406</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, yeah that is what I am talking about. We are slowly getting into the &quot;core&quot; work. 

Btw sukhi, what do you mean by &quot;security services&quot; I didn&#039;t exactly get that part :-D!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, yeah that is what I am talking about. We are slowly getting into the &#8220;core&#8221; work. </p>
<p>Btw sukhi, what do you mean by &#8220;security services&#8221; I didn&#8217;t exactly get that part <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> !</p>
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		<title>By: Jaes</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-1340</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it all began with Y2K coolie level jobs but slowly companies like IBM are moving real hard-core research jobs into its development centers. IBM employees have grown from 4,200 in 2002 to 43,000 this year - that&#039;s a sign that they&#039;re moving work that they once did elsewhere to India. IBM still hires people in  USA because of their superior higher education system, but they then deply them in India.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it all began with Y2K coolie level jobs but slowly companies like IBM are moving real hard-core research jobs into its development centers. IBM employees have grown from 4,200 in 2002 to 43,000 this year &#8211; that&#8217;s a sign that they&#8217;re moving work that they once did elsewhere to India. IBM still hires people in  USA because of their superior higher education system, but they then deply them in India.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guru Panguji]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not at all man!! :-)!

Exactly, the pay package is what I was talking about! Consultants are definitely paid more, by the hour. However, even the pay package is decided based on the hourly rates. So, that&#039;s why the build up was given.

Yes, for that matter, the SAP Netweaver technology platinum consultants are paid exorbitant rates dude! Something like around $450.00 per hour and more :-D! I was talking about the regular employees. And I confirmed, the going rates sound definitely right according to the post :-D!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all man!! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> !</p>
<p>Exactly, the pay package is what I was talking about! Consultants are definitely paid more, by the hour. However, even the pay package is decided based on the hourly rates. So, that&#8217;s why the build up was given.</p>
<p>Yes, for that matter, the SAP Netweaver technology platinum consultants are paid exorbitant rates dude! Something like around $450.00 per hour and more <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> ! I was talking about the regular employees. And I confirmed, the going rates sound definitely right according to the post <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> !</p>
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		<title>By: sukhi</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sukhi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks mate. (hope it wasnt sarcasm!)

A pay package is vastly different - its a fixed thing, and given for employees. Consultants, and outside hires - even temps maybe - get hourly rates. 

From what I have seen, hourly rates for yanks working at the client site start around 150$ or so. Indians charge much lesser - both figures for consultants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks mate. (hope it wasnt sarcasm!)</p>
<p>A pay package is vastly different &#8211; its a fixed thing, and given for employees. Consultants, and outside hires &#8211; even temps maybe &#8211; get hourly rates. </p>
<p>From what I have seen, hourly rates for yanks working at the client site start around 150$ or so. Indians charge much lesser &#8211; both figures for consultants.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guru Panguji]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, you enlighten me everytime :-)! Hehehe!!

But yeah, regarding the pay package... Simple, it&#039;s for a 1 year experienced person with a skill set of Microsoft technologies would be getting about $80,000 per annum and now just calculate back!

Regarding the Indian billing, are you completely sure? Either that or I was grossly misinformed!!

Will post after discussing with some people :-D!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you enlighten me everytime <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ! Hehehe!!</p>
<p>But yeah, regarding the pay package&#8230; Simple, it&#8217;s for a 1 year experienced person with a skill set of Microsoft technologies would be getting about $80,000 per annum and now just calculate back!</p>
<p>Regarding the Indian billing, are you completely sure? Either that or I was grossly misinformed!!</p>
<p>Will post after discussing with some people <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> !</p>
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		<title>By: sukhi</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2006/06/14/software-engineers-of-india-software-coolies-or-not/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sukhi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I shud&#039;ve just written a post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shud&#8217;ve just written a post!</p>
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		<title>By: sukhi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone terming what our industry does as mostly a coolie&#039;s job is correct to an extent - but is missing a big chunk of the picture.

&quot;Software industry&quot; per se is an industry. Which means its going to have all the trappings of a regular industries - services, products, vendors et al.

Most biggies of the industry are into services, because, lets face it - its easiest to make money in services - AND services, are the hallmark of advanced economies, I kid you not. A good economy will generally tend to have a lot of services contribution to it followed by similar amounts of agriculture and industry - that is 3 pillars of the classical economy  - primary, secondary and tertiary industries. In India service industry contributes to &lt;b&gt;half the economy&lt;/b&gt;.

Now, just because a lot of the Indian IT industry is in the service industry does not mean its bad per se. IBM - the BIGGEST software co is wholly into services now, after selling its PC biz to Lenovo. So IT services per se is not bad - and is lucrative as well. 

One can complain that there are not too many product companies in India - but there are never too many product companies anywhere - and its the US that has the bulk of them anyway - any other country doesnt even come a distant second.  

That doesnt mean I think its great to have too many service oriented industries - but that I think its unavoidable. Cos IT services is vastly more needed than product development - and even there, we&#039;ve some mid-sized cos operating, like Subex, for example.

btw, Guru, I&#039;m curious about your figures on hourly rates. From what I know its way too low for the Yanks, and for the Indians as well.

and this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, here’s the bad deal. So far India hasn’t received exactly top-notch work for many reasons -

    * It hadn’t proved to the “offshoring” companies that it’s a major player, involving issues like information security, and various other aspects
    * It was too keen in earning money to concentrate on research work
    * They were too comfortable in not taking any responsibility for ownership related work
 &lt;/blockquote&gt;

is wrong. All of it. Check out the Indian presence among security services, for example - there are plenty of Indians there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone terming what our industry does as mostly a coolie&#8217;s job is correct to an extent &#8211; but is missing a big chunk of the picture.</p>
<p>&#8220;Software industry&#8221; per se is an industry. Which means its going to have all the trappings of a regular industries &#8211; services, products, vendors et al.</p>
<p>Most biggies of the industry are into services, because, lets face it &#8211; its easiest to make money in services &#8211; AND services, are the hallmark of advanced economies, I kid you not. A good economy will generally tend to have a lot of services contribution to it followed by similar amounts of agriculture and industry &#8211; that is 3 pillars of the classical economy  &#8211; primary, secondary and tertiary industries. In India service industry contributes to <b>half the economy</b>.</p>
<p>Now, just because a lot of the Indian IT industry is in the service industry does not mean its bad per se. IBM &#8211; the BIGGEST software co is wholly into services now, after selling its PC biz to Lenovo. So IT services per se is not bad &#8211; and is lucrative as well. </p>
<p>One can complain that there are not too many product companies in India &#8211; but there are never too many product companies anywhere &#8211; and its the US that has the bulk of them anyway &#8211; any other country doesnt even come a distant second.  </p>
<p>That doesnt mean I think its great to have too many service oriented industries &#8211; but that I think its unavoidable. Cos IT services is vastly more needed than product development &#8211; and even there, we&#8217;ve some mid-sized cos operating, like Subex, for example.</p>
<p>btw, Guru, I&#8217;m curious about your figures on hourly rates. From what I know its way too low for the Yanks, and for the Indians as well.</p>
<p>and this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now, here’s the bad deal. So far India hasn’t received exactly top-notch work for many reasons -</p>
<p>    * It hadn’t proved to the “offshoring” companies that it’s a major player, involving issues like information security, and various other aspects<br />
    * It was too keen in earning money to concentrate on research work<br />
    * They were too comfortable in not taking any responsibility for ownership related work
 </p></blockquote>
<p>is wrong. All of it. Check out the Indian presence among security services, for example &#8211; there are plenty of Indians there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Imperfect</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I merely used a very simple, everyday phrase and you managed to write a post outta it... :D
Damn, how do you do it??!!! :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I merely used a very simple, everyday phrase and you managed to write a post outta it&#8230; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Damn, how do you do it??!!! <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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