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	<title>Comments on: Vineet Nayar: Most American grads are &#8216;unemployable&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: EXE</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35373</link>
		<dc:creator>EXE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the posters who are defending Vineet are from HCL&#039;s PR department. Vineet Nayar has never studied in an US university. He is totally ignorant about American Education system. He is nothing buy an ego centric CEO who uses his marketing department to self promote himself!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the posters who are defending Vineet are from HCL&#8217;s PR department. Vineet Nayar has never studied in an US university. He is totally ignorant about American Education system. He is nothing buy an ego centric CEO who uses his marketing department to self promote himself!!</p>
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		<title>By: aamaadmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35350</link>
		<dc:creator>aamaadmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy Guruji,

Why dont you take a hike before being writing something which is far from truth..read about IIT and see what even foreign scholars say about it.

Guys like you who start ridiculing India and the aspects of it the moment they take their flight out need a bit of more education rather.

For the record, I am not IITian but I am proud that IIT is showing way to world how technology is harnessed for mankind and not just lured by greedy and instincts of MS and Co.

You better settle in America..India is better off without people like you.

Best
The common Man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy Guruji,</p>
<p>Why dont you take a hike before being writing something which is far from truth..read about IIT and see what even foreign scholars say about it.</p>
<p>Guys like you who start ridiculing India and the aspects of it the moment they take their flight out need a bit of more education rather.</p>
<p>For the record, I am not IITian but I am proud that IIT is showing way to world how technology is harnessed for mankind and not just lured by greedy and instincts of MS and Co.</p>
<p>You better settle in America..India is better off without people like you.</p>
<p>Best<br />
The common Man</p>
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		<title>By: Priya bhavani</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35339</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya bhavani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, This fellow Vineet does not deserve all the praise that is being heaped on him. What&#039;s with him commenting on the employability of American graduates, when his people dont know what kind of candidates their offices need?  Managers in HCL (Vineet is no exception, I presume) are Stupid, scycophant and have absolutely no ethics!

My close relative was working with a multinational manufacturing company in a very good role.  He had been with the company for more than a decade, and had excellent career prospects there.  Although he had no background in software development, HCL wooed him a huge pay packet and promises of complete training in a software package designed for the manufacturing sector for which they were expecting an order.  (This was sometime in Nov, when recession had already started)  My husband joined, there was no training and no project (The project got delayed due to the recession) and six months down the line, he was forced to resign saying that he had no software development skills, and hence it would be difficult to fit him elsewhere!  

The gall of these people!  Why recruit when you have no clear idea of what you want??  Do you have any idea at all how much of anxiety and pain you have caused to families of employees who have been laid off?

And to top it all, This fellow Vineet goes around claiming there&#039;s been no layoffs in HCL!

This company stinks, and Nayar is an even bigger stinker who has no right to go about commenting on anybody&#039;s employability till he takes a good hard look at his own ethics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, This fellow Vineet does not deserve all the praise that is being heaped on him. What&#8217;s with him commenting on the employability of American graduates, when his people dont know what kind of candidates their offices need?  Managers in HCL (Vineet is no exception, I presume) are Stupid, scycophant and have absolutely no ethics!</p>
<p>My close relative was working with a multinational manufacturing company in a very good role.  He had been with the company for more than a decade, and had excellent career prospects there.  Although he had no background in software development, HCL wooed him a huge pay packet and promises of complete training in a software package designed for the manufacturing sector for which they were expecting an order.  (This was sometime in Nov, when recession had already started)  My husband joined, there was no training and no project (The project got delayed due to the recession) and six months down the line, he was forced to resign saying that he had no software development skills, and hence it would be difficult to fit him elsewhere!  </p>
<p>The gall of these people!  Why recruit when you have no clear idea of what you want??  Do you have any idea at all how much of anxiety and pain you have caused to families of employees who have been laid off?</p>
<p>And to top it all, This fellow Vineet goes around claiming there&#8217;s been no layoffs in HCL!</p>
<p>This company stinks, and Nayar is an even bigger stinker who has no right to go about commenting on anybody&#8217;s employability till he takes a good hard look at his own ethics!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35332</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If American grads did not have the skills, how come most of the world is running on Windows or the Mac, or Google became such a powerhouse or facebook and twitter and tumblr are taking over the world?”

Come on. That’s like saying “If America has an obesity problem then how come Lance Armstrong exists?”

==&gt;Not so. It&#039;s more like saying If America has a problem with MARATHON ATHLETES then how come Lance Armstrong exists?

The athletes are a welcome contrast to America&#039;s obesity problem for sure, but you have to use a comparable correct analogy. The USA school system today is for sure sorely handicapped, but there are still some shining techs..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If American grads did not have the skills, how come most of the world is running on Windows or the Mac, or Google became such a powerhouse or facebook and twitter and tumblr are taking over the world?”</p>
<p>Come on. That’s like saying “If America has an obesity problem then how come Lance Armstrong exists?”</p>
<p>==&gt;Not so. It&#8217;s more like saying If America has a problem with MARATHON ATHLETES then how come Lance Armstrong exists?</p>
<p>The athletes are a welcome contrast to America&#8217;s obesity problem for sure, but you have to use a comparable correct analogy. The USA school system today is for sure sorely handicapped, but there are still some shining techs..</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35330</link>
		<dc:creator>Guru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve, 

I agree with you that CS departments would never have a technology oriented course development. Mr Nayar fails to understand that. And it&#039;s no different in a good majority of the Indian colleges. 

The methods of teaching, the rigor and the analysis involved, coupled with the expertise of the teacher themselves make a huge difference. However, the students who are really interested in learning computer science do come out with amazing knowledge. 

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve, </p>
<p>I agree with you that CS departments would never have a technology oriented course development. Mr Nayar fails to understand that. And it&#8217;s no different in a good majority of the Indian colleges. </p>
<p>The methods of teaching, the rigor and the analysis involved, coupled with the expertise of the teacher themselves make a huge difference. However, the students who are really interested in learning computer science do come out with amazing knowledge. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35329</link>
		<dc:creator>Guru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vindaloo. 

Thanks for your comment. I am sure that was meant to be funny. Pardon my slow brain, however, I really didn&#039;t get the analogy =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vindaloo. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I am sure that was meant to be funny. Pardon my slow brain, however, I really didn&#8217;t get the analogy =)</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35328</link>
		<dc:creator>Guru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the time we spec’d out the programs/reports/changes to the degree where we’d get something back we could use without exhaustive modification or correction, we were better off writing it ourselves and keeping it mum from management. Very frustrating. High turnover at the Indian company, poor language skills and slam-it-in coding techniques with no thought of the big picture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I can relate to that. 

At the same time, as I am going through the thread and posting, it&#039;s wrong to generalize us Indians as well. We are definitely good at creative thinking. We provide innovative solutions and most definitely have good language skills. I am a proud Indian myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the time we spec’d out the programs/reports/changes to the degree where we’d get something back we could use without exhaustive modification or correction, we were better off writing it ourselves and keeping it mum from management. Very frustrating. High turnover at the Indian company, poor language skills and slam-it-in coding techniques with no thought of the big picture.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can relate to that. </p>
<p>At the same time, as I am going through the thread and posting, it&#8217;s wrong to generalize us Indians as well. We are definitely good at creative thinking. We provide innovative solutions and most definitely have good language skills. I am a proud Indian myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35327</link>
		<dc:creator>Guru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the same time, you&#039;ve got to admit that mediocrity is found everywhere. It&#039;s just that you really cannot generalize countries or institutions based on that. I am not saying that Indians are mindless zombies. (although it may have come out that way). There are amazing guys who churn out brilliant code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the same time, you&#8217;ve got to admit that mediocrity is found everywhere. It&#8217;s just that you really cannot generalize countries or institutions based on that. I am not saying that Indians are mindless zombies. (although it may have come out that way). There are amazing guys who churn out brilliant code.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35326</link>
		<dc:creator>Guru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment pallavi and your point is definitely noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment pallavi and your point is definitely noted.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveBrooklineMA</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35325</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveBrooklineMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No self-respecting CS department at a college or university in the US is going to teach students how to use commercial products such as SAS or .net framework. Broad concepts are taught instead. One would have to go to an IT trade school, not a university, to get that kind of training.

If the situation is different in India, then perhaps this is what Mr. Nayar means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No self-respecting CS department at a college or university in the US is going to teach students how to use commercial products such as SAS or .net framework. Broad concepts are taught instead. One would have to go to an IT trade school, not a university, to get that kind of training.</p>
<p>If the situation is different in India, then perhaps this is what Mr. Nayar means.</p>
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		<title>By: Vindaloo</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35324</link>
		<dc:creator>Vindaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If American grads did not have the skills, how come most of the world is running on Windows or the Mac, or Google became such a powerhouse or facebook and twitter and tumblr are taking over the world?&quot;

Come on. That&#039;s like saying &quot;If America has an obesity problem then how come Lance Armstrong exists?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If American grads did not have the skills, how come most of the world is running on Windows or the Mac, or Google became such a powerhouse or facebook and twitter and tumblr are taking over the world?&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on. That&#8217;s like saying &#8220;If America has an obesity problem then how come Lance Armstrong exists?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35323</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vineet&#039;s blog URL detected. Poster possible HCL employee..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vineet&#8217;s blog URL detected. Poster possible HCL employee..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35322</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked in a shop that progressively outsourced to India, here&#039;s my experience.  We Americans were made responsible for project management, while we were supposed to spec out tasks for the Indian counterparts.  By the time we spec&#039;d out the programs/reports/changes to the degree where we&#039;d get something back we could use without exhaustive modification or correction, we were better off writing it ourselves and keeping it mum from management.  Very frustrating.  High turnover at the Indian company, poor language skills and slam-it-in coding techniques with no thought of the big picture.  That&#039;s what I had to deal with.  I don&#039;t think the Indians I worked with were &quot;unemployable&quot; or stupid; I think the culture there is geared toward high-output, quick-turnaround without the same regard to quality or ease of maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked in a shop that progressively outsourced to India, here&#8217;s my experience.  We Americans were made responsible for project management, while we were supposed to spec out tasks for the Indian counterparts.  By the time we spec&#8217;d out the programs/reports/changes to the degree where we&#8217;d get something back we could use without exhaustive modification or correction, we were better off writing it ourselves and keeping it mum from management.  Very frustrating.  High turnover at the Indian company, poor language skills and slam-it-in coding techniques with no thought of the big picture.  That&#8217;s what I had to deal with.  I don&#8217;t think the Indians I worked with were &#8220;unemployable&#8221; or stupid; I think the culture there is geared toward high-output, quick-turnaround without the same regard to quality or ease of maintenance.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35321</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiranya, Tanya and Pallavi
HCL PR machinery at work eh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiranya, Tanya and Pallavi<br />
HCL PR machinery at work eh!</p>
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		<title>By: themattreid</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35320</link>
		<dc:creator>themattreid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, I think Vineet needs to look much closer at Indian education. 90% of techs that I have worked with in India have been fine with following mindless processes but fail at the most basic complex problem solving and creativity. And the code I&#039;ve seen from those places, horrorshow; I&#039;d hate to have to maintain those apps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, I think Vineet needs to look much closer at Indian education. 90% of techs that I have worked with in India have been fine with following mindless processes but fail at the most basic complex problem solving and creativity. And the code I&#8217;ve seen from those places, horrorshow; I&#8217;d hate to have to maintain those apps.</p>
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		<title>By: Tania</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35319</link>
		<dc:creator>Tania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This quote is misunderstood &amp; the streched too far. 
I visited his blog http://vineet.hclblogs.com/ &amp; realized that this issue is blown out of proportion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote is misunderstood &amp; the streched too far.<br />
I visited his blog <a href="http://vineet.hclblogs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://vineet.hclblogs.com/</a> &amp; realized that this issue is blown out of proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghoru Panguji</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35317</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghoru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coconut eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coconut eh?</p>
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		<title>By: pallavi</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35316</link>
		<dc:creator>pallavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The education investments we make in youths of today across the world including India is not in step with business needs and thus creating the challenge of employability. The real debate is how to fix this challenge rather than getting into country specific coments.

I googled and reached Vineet Nayar&#039;s blogpost on this subject http://vineet.hclblogs.com/  .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The education investments we make in youths of today across the world including India is not in step with business needs and thus creating the challenge of employability. The real debate is how to fix this challenge rather than getting into country specific coments.</p>
<p>I googled and reached Vineet Nayar&#8217;s blogpost on this subject <a href="http://vineet.hclblogs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://vineet.hclblogs.com/</a>  .</p>
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		<title>By: Hiranya</title>
		<link>http://blog.gurupanguji.com/2009/06/22/vineet-nayar-most-american-grads-are-unemployable/#comment-35315</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiranya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this quote has been taken out of context... the same article is being dissected by most IT bloggers. As a former journalist it is only fair to hear all aspects. I googled Vineet and found his blog giving the bigger picture of the whole issue... chk it out: http://vineet.hclblogs.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this quote has been taken out of context&#8230; the same article is being dissected by most IT bloggers. As a former journalist it is only fair to hear all aspects. I googled Vineet and found his blog giving the bigger picture of the whole issue&#8230; chk it out: <a href="http://vineet.hclblogs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://vineet.hclblogs.com/</a></p>
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